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chicago and washington, d.c. every place in the world that we have crime data both before and after a gun ban has gone into effect, every single place has seen an increase in murders after the ban has been put in place. many times, it's been several fold or more increase in murders. a simple reason for that. that is when you ban guns, it's basically the most law abiding citizens who turn in their guns, not the criminals. and rather than making more difficult for criminals to commit crime, you actually make it easier. >> what do you say to the legislation that the congressman would like to see passed. tightening up some of these restrictions. making it more difficult, for example, for mentally ill people to go out there and buy some semi-automatic weapons. >> wolf, i guess you would have challenged them a little bit on claims about automatic weapons and some of the other things he was making. you know that these aren't involved in any of these types of cases that we're talking about here. but the point is, we've tried a lot of these laws already in the united states. we had the assault wea
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